Dog Latin

Habemus Oratorum Domum?

Can Paul Ryan win the support of the House Freedom Caucus, the Republican Study Committee, and the Tuesday Group? If he can, forget the speakership, let’s talk sainthood, because unifying House Republicans counts as his first miracle.

E.  Christian Kopff sent me this gem, written by one Jim Geraghty from the NR website.  I don’t read National Review in any form, print, internet, or the original crayon, so I don’t know who Mr. Geraghty is or if he has a whimsical turn of mind or if he is possibly fond of ridiculing the ignorance of learned languages that characterizes his colleagues and readers. nI should not like to do the fellow an injustice.

If we play the odds, however, we should never make the mistake of overestimating “conservative" journalists.  Unless he is a latter-day Borges, I suppose we have to believe that he actually thinks that: Habemus oratorum domum means “We have a speaker of the House,” when in fact it means “We have a house of speakers,” a statement than which (as his magazine's founder would have said) nothing could be more preposterous.

I might agree, if one of my readers complained:

At a time when Europe is being swamped by Islamic invaders, when Republican candidates are ignoring the Democrats and spending all their time attacking each other, when, in general, this country is going to Hell as fast as it can, surely a Latin gaffe is a minor distraction.

On second thought, however, our country is the way it is, partly because  the members of our elite, in wrecking American education, have lobotomized themselves to the point that they can describe Barack Obama as “eloquent” and think the New York Times and Wall Street Journal are models of English prose when, in fact, they are not written in standard English, though for real entertainment--if your taste runs to watching cripples fall down the stairs--one has to turn to National Public Radio.

My old classics professor Walton Morris imposed on us students a series of “Morris’s Maxims” which ran:

  1. If you know it, you can say it.
  2. If you can’t say it, you don’t know it.
  3. If you can translate it, but you cannot explain the grammar, you cheated (by using a “trot.)

It occurs to me that I might append a corollary:

If you think you know something but cannot express it correctly and coherently, you are probably repeating some propagandist’s talking points that have been drummed into your witless head.

English is a very sloppy language, always threatening to dissolve into incoherence and stupidity.  It took the teaching of Latin (and to some extent French) to batter the Anglo-American mind into some kind of disciplined coherence. The alternative was a rigorous training in mathematics, logic, and science, disciplines that do not train their students in eloquence but do teach them to think.

Only 100 years ago, most members of the American elite—whether writers, politicians, or clergymen—had learned enough Latin to write like Chesterton and Belloc, Hemingway and Fitzgerald, Mencken and Nock.  Now they are lucky to write like A.A. Milne reporting the conversation of Winnie the Poo.  After World War II, most writers and many politicians, even if they never learned Latin, had been educated by people who had been disciplined by the old system.

I was never much of a fan of Bill Buckley,  and in his later years he positively disliked me.  In fact, I was the third classicist to disturb his dogmatic-liberal slumbers, the first two being Revilo Oliver and Gary Wills.  Still, at his best, Bill could turn a phrase and remember his Latin.  Taken for all, he did much more good than harm, if only by reminding us that there were once educated people in America.  He could think through an issue, and, even if he came to a false conclusion, his ability to marshall arguments could be stunning.   We shall probably not see his like again, certainly not in my lifetime.

As one of his successors might exclaim:

O Temporum, O Mora

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Thomas Fleming

Thomas Fleming is president of the Fleming Foundation. He is the author of six books, including The Morality of Everyday Life and The Politics of Human Nature, as well as many articles and columns for newspapers, magazines,and learned journals. He holds a Ph.D. in Classics from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill and a B.A. in Greek from the College of Charleston. He served as editor of Chronicles: a Magazine of American Culture from 1984 to 2015 and president of The Rockford Institute from 1997-2014. In a previous life he taught classics at several colleges and served as a school headmaster in South Carolina

11 Responses

  1. Mark Atkins says:

    Dr. Fleming,
    Would it be … habemus domi oratorem?

  2. Mark Atkins says:

    Dr. Fleming,
    Would it be … domi oratorem habemus?

  3. James Kabala says:

    Mr. Atkins: Domus actually belongs to the rare fourth declension, so the genitive is also domus! (The only other fourth declension word that I remember is manus, hand.)

  4. Harry Heller says:

    Witty, especially at the end.

    Revilo Oliver was a beautiful writer; Gary Wills, much less so. I’m not sure which was the more erudite, but I know which profited the more from what he’d learned.

    I’ve often pondered the decline of the Western mind, elite as well as ‘common’. Do you think that decline is cultural or genetic? That is, if students over the past half century had had the same rigorous educations as Western men of the past, would our modern world produce proportionately as many Chestertons and Prousts and Waughs, etc? (I was going to add “Manns”, but I noted your particular dislike of him; perhaps you could elaborate? I thought he was one of the greatest novelists of the past century, if not a particularly lovely stylist [though I’m referring only to translations].)

    Finally, I think we do have a House of “speakers” (bloviators), just not of orators.

  5. Mark Atkins says:

    Thank you Mr. Kabala. I’m new to Latin. At the risk of exposing myself to public ridicule, I confess that I use Wiktionary often. It says that Domus can be both second and fourth declension. Quoting…’Fourth declension with locative, some alternative forms from the second declension.’ I’ve not gotten to the locative yet. Is domi incorrect or can you use both forms?

  6. Avatar photo Thomas Fleming says:

    James Kabala gets the prize today. Classically, the genitive of domus is domus but with a long u. It is, however, a notoriously irregular word that slips back and forth between the 2nd and 4th declensions. Thus the early genitive domi is, in fact, attested, though it is not correct in standard prose, though domo, along with the 4th declension domu, is found in the ablative and domorum in the gentive plural.

    4th declension nouns are not quite so rare as might be thought. In addition to domus and manus–and other commonly occurring nouns such as tribus, senatus, porticuls, portus, genu, there are many nouns formed off the perfect passive participle, and while some of these seem to function almost like verbal nouns, others are quite common: fructus, exercitus.

    As for how one should really describe this position in Latin, the question is complicated by the fact that the Romans had a monocameral legislature and thus did not have a lower house. Otherwise, one could use the phrase Princeps Senatus, the leading member(s) who could speak first. One could fudge, I suppose, and say Princeps Senatus Inferioris or Princeps Concili (from concilium, a formal council often large).

  7. Avatar photo Thomas Fleming says:

    Oliver was a serious scholar and a learned man. Wills went from being a Harvard PhD with a diss on Aeschylus–the only thing I have in common with him–to NR’s punk kid to an anti-Catholic poseur. So far as I can tell, he gave up reading Greek long ago. It is not that he never had any good ideas, because he did, only that he did not work hard and remained a perpetual wise guy.

  8. Robert says:

    Tom,
    I don’t disagree with your observation of Gary Wills. One of my old professors said he had a very poor education at Harvard because no one at the time ever taught him much truth. ( I think my professor’s son was at Harvard studying French literature.) I always assumed he behaved as he did because he discovered more money could be made in being a wise guy for National review and/or anti-catholic poseur than in serious studies, but I could be wrong. I can pray for men like him but its difficult to praise them without really knowing them. Most of the stuff I read of his ( it wasn’t a lot) seemed destructive and the depraved ravings of a very unhappy soul.

  9. James Kabala says:

    I have realized that I also forgot the most important of all – spiritus, as in “In Nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus (not Spiriti) Sancti.”

  10. Christian Kopff says:

    Apropos of syntax, Charles Burris writes on lewrockwell.com: “In his most haughty Etonian manner, Prime Minister Anthony Eden of Great Britain wryly conjugated a deprecating Americanized verb – ”dull, duller, Dulles”- referring to the austere Presbyterian Wall Street lawyer John Foster Dulles who became secretary of state under President Dwight Eisenhower.” He thinks a mock comparison of a faux adjective is conjugating a verb. There is not much left of the legacy of classically educated Albert Jay Nock among Libertarians.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/dull-duller-dulles-select-bibliography/

  11. Avatar photo Thomas Fleming says:

    Perhaps he feels that he is free to choose to call an adjective a verb and comparison conjugation.