Latin, Episode 4

In this episode of Latin, Dr. Fleming discusses the third declension, the dative case, and the inapt uses of English words that have Latin roots, particularly “fabulous,” “tremendous,” and the like.

Remember that this podcast is not a formal course but a foray into the study of Latin.

Original Air Date: April 29, 2016
Show Run Time: 1 hour 10 minutes
Show Guest(s): Dr. Thomas Fleming
Show Host(s): Stephen Heiner


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Notes for Latin: Episode Four

A.  Clarifying Texts  (Acts 2:1)

et cum conplerentur dies pentecostes erant omnes pariter in eodem loco et factus est repente de caelo sonus tamquam advenientis spiritus vehementis et replevit totam domum ubi erant sedentes et apparuerunt illis dispertitae linguae tamquam ignis seditque supra singulos eorum. et repleti sunt omnes Spiritu Sancto et coeperunt loqui aliis linguis prout Spiritus Sanctus dabat eloqui illis.  Erant autem in Hierusalem habitantes Iudaei viri religiosi ex omni natione quae sub caelo sunt  facta autem hac voce convenit multitudo et mente confusa est quoniam audiebat unusquisque lingua sua illos loquentes  stupebant autem omnes et mirabantur dicentes nonne omnes ecce isti qui loquuntur Galilaei sunt...

B  Pedagogy  (5 minutes) 

How to memorize noun, pronoun adjective paradigms.

1) Try to avoid mesmerizing sing-song patterns, recite adjectives across all genders and not vertically, and memorize together nouns, adjectives, pronouns with different endings:

haec prudens puella, huius prudentis puellae, huic prudenti, puellae, hanc prudentem puellam,  etc.

C  Nouns :  (10 Minutes)

Third Declension:  Consists of nouns with genitive in -is, without a vowel in the stem and nouns with an -i

—/-s      -es

-is          -[i]um

-i             -ibus

-(e) m     -es/-is

-e/-i       -ibus

Among consonant-stems,  those ending in liquid consonants—r, l, n-- typically do not add -s in nominative:  consul, -is, nomen, -inis, also labor, nectar, arbor, October etc., but some nouns with nominative in -s are really -r stems with rhotacism:  mas, maris, ceres cereris,  genus, generis.   Nouns with stems ending in -n it in nominative, as leo, leonis; imago, imaginis.

Model I-stem nouns to remember:  civis, civis, aedes, aedis, and urbs, urbis

Dative Case:  Indirect relationships

Indirect objects—to/for

With intransitive verbs of please/displease, advantage/disadvantage, help/harm, bid/forbid:  Placeo, imperare, nocere, invidere, suadere, etc.  Eventually develop sense.  Many words can be clumsily translated to give sense:  be pleasing to, helpful to, harmful to, where as a verb like hit or eat can not be so treated.

Possession with verb essere:  Indicates close connection.  The dative is the person interested in the possession. Puer librum habet as opposed to Liber puero est.

Dative or Personal Interest—person from whose point of view action is being carried out or in whose interest or to whose advantge



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2 Responses

  1. Allen Wilson says:

    If there is confusion about the purpose of this podcast series, it is possible that a comment I made on the blog page for episode 3 may have contributed to it. For clarification, when I mentioned Dr Fleming’s “latin course”, I was referring not to this podcast series, but to the latin course Dr Fleming recorded about twelve or fifteen years ago, and which used Jenney’s grammar as the text. This course was available as a set of CD’s from the Rockford Institute. I don’t know if it is still available.

  2. Dot says:

    What is the purpose of this? Who is the desired audience? Is it for those who have the time while somebody else mows the grass, shops for food, makes the meals cleans up afterwards, etc.? Socrates, I hear, was a great philosopher. Claimed he didn’t know anything yet could win over any argument. His poor you wife did all the work while he did his philosophizing with no pay. Wonder how they managed to make it economically? In today’s world, they’d be on welfare.