Season 1, From Under the Rubble, Episode 13: Charlottesville

In this episode of From Under the Rubble, Dr. Thomas Fleming explores the recent events in Charlottesville, Virginia. Dr. Fleming examines what happened, what President Trump should (not) have said, the role that the media played, and the proper context and definition of words like “fascist,” “racist,” “alt-right,” and the newly coined “alt-left.”


Original Air Date: August 18, 2017
Show Run Time: 52 minutes
Show Guest(s): Dr. Thomas Fleming
Show Host(s): Stephen Heiner

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7 Responses

  1. Avatar Alexander Coleman says:

    Fantastic podcast.

    Was discussing the president with a couple of friends and I quoted Dr. Fleming, saying that while Trump has probably never read more than one hundred pages out of any number of books in his life, what he lacks in knowledge, comprehension and wisdom he makes up for in smart instincts. While the sissy girly-men like Mitt Romney and the Bushes chastise him for not groveling before the perpetual media onslaught Trump vindicates many of us who for the first time voted for a major ticket candidate for the presidency, that whatever imperfections the man has to his name, if nothing else he’s a rhetorical fighter. The uniqueness of trait belonging to a Republican is startling to all, including us.

    I share the deep dismay of which Mr. Heiner spoke in seeing images of these despicable mobs of rabble toppling statues of brave men of honor. As he put it, we truly do hate ourselves.

  2. Avatar James D. says:

    Dr. Fleming, what should be the response of sober, rational people be to the desecration and removal of monuments to Western heroes?

  3. Thomas Fleming Thomas Fleming says:

    The simple answer is: It isn’t, that is not a single sober, rational honest human being would do this. Most of the people involved are the flotsam and jetsam set loose by a shipwrecked civilization. There is a small number of cynics who would take whatever position that advanced their authority or made them money. In this, they are like the leaders of the conservative movement who were always on the lookout for populist parades they could jump in front of and pretend to be leading.

    The vandals are a minority, but unfortunately it is a huge minority of 35-40% of the legal residents of USA. (I hesitate to call them Americas.) This is alarming, but nowhere near so alarming as the supine indifference of the majority who would rather not see this happen but who will not lift a finger to stop it.

  4. Avatar Robert Reavis says:

    In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births. Jan 6, 2017.

    As a modern saint said during the Reagan years said, ” So long as this is going on between a mother and child there is nothing left for us but to kill each other. With all due respect to art , heroes and history, it’s a little late in the day to expect anyone in the United States, or even the rotting post Christian West to lift a finger except their trigger finger and they have been doing plenty of that. So its difficult to understand why this is so surprising to our intellectuals who have preached nominalism for years, or always willingly embraced it whenever instructed by their superiors,… but I digress.

  5. Avatar Allen Wilson says:

    A few months ago I was dismayed to find that the state of Pennsylvania can’t even put up a web page about the founder of that state and his family without slandering them. Before long they’ll likely take the Penn out of the state’s name (slave owners, thieves, murderers, etc.). Marxylvania? But then, sylvania sounds too rural, even downright wilderness, as if the only residents were Grizzly Adams, Mad Jack, a bear and a mule. Marxurbania? Penn’s statue will be on the removal list at some point. I hope that when they pull it down, it falls on top of a couple of them.

  6. Avatar Frank Brownlow says:

    Once a society has a sufficiently large underclass of ignorant, uneducated, unemployed, impoverished peoples, rioting is a continual threat. That is why the English under Sir Robert Peel invented their police in the mid-19th century, and having invented them, gave them serious work to do. (It’s also why in England police are called Bobbies, in Ireland Peelers.) We have the police, but despite all the huffing and puffing are not using them seriously. Serious policing under a responsible justice department would end this rioting overnight. It doesn’t have to be violent policing, either. Just a serious, brick-wall determination to take no nonsense. Unfortunately, contemporary America can’t bear to describe anything as nonsense, even when it’s prancing around the streets in fancy-dress.

  7. Avatar Jacob Johnson says:

    The frequency of anti-white expression put out by media outlets like Slate or the Huffington Post, is I think rather conspicuous. It’s really cartoonish actually. The object of this is to provoke an equally virulent response which the news media will broadcast absent the context of provocation. This was done a few years ago with the reports of the DHS buying large quantities of hollow point cartridges, and when right wingers came out with the “From my cold dead hands” bit, it was “See how violent they are.”

    There are websites dedicated to documenting every leftist outrage which are updated every five minutes that the stroppy adolescents spend all their time on. The left knows this and is happy to feed the fire. Obviously football players pouting during the national anthem or unattractive feminists parading around with pictures of reproductive organs want attention.

    When my mother was a senior in high school one of her teachers told her a funny story about her older brother when he was in his class in 1968. Apparently he announced one day that he and a group of students were going to sit on the floor because, “You can’t force us to do what you want maaaaan!” The teacher responded by saying he didn’t care what they did and over the duration of class the rebellious students slowly became uncomfortable and sheepishly returned to their desks and never pulled the stunt again.