The Myth of Progress, Part 2: Christianity and Classical Culture, Episode 18

Continuing on the themes from the previous episode, Dr. Fleming goes on to discuss the role of a wall in a city - how does it restrict “progress”? How did Rome, Athens, Paris, and even NYC and Chicago deal with “borders”? What about monuments - and the tearing-down of them - is this “progress”? Is this simply at attack on Christianity?

Part 1: The Myth of Progress, Part 1: Christianity and Classical Culture, Episode 17

Original Air Date: December 1, 2017
Show Run Time: 50 minutes
Show Guest(s): Dr. Thomas Fleming
Show Host(s): Stephen Heiner


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2 Responses

  1. Dot says:

    Thank you for this very interesting podcast. I grew up in the Catholic Church, joined the choir when I was about 12, sung the Mass in Latin. To this day I can recite most of the Gloria, Credo and Agnus Dei. Vatican II changed the Latin to the vernacular around 1960. In my mind something was lost. I don’t think it was progress that the Mass was completely changed to the vernacular. They could have kept the Kyrie Eleison.

  2. Avatar photo Thomas Fleming says:

    Dot, there were hybrid masses in which the the most famous parts–kyrie, gloria, creed, paternoster, agnus dei etc.–were kept in Latin. It seems to me that the Vat II changes to the Mass were largely made by people who did not know that a mass was not simply a service of praise and worship but a sacramental prayer being offered up to God. We had sermons to explain the faith and one could have alternated hybrid masses with all-Latin as an educational device, but progress is a rage to destory. Thanks for the observation.